“I believe the very purpose of our life is to seek happiness. That's clear. Whether we believe in a religion or not, whether one believes in this religion or that religion, we are all seeking something better in life. So, I think the very motion of our life is towards happiness.” -  Dali Lama

10 responses to “How Religion Poisons Everything”

  1. Mike Haubrich, FCD

    Nice addition to the Carnival of the Godless. I believe that the day in which truth reaches an undeniable critical mass may be as far as 500 years in the future. We are only halfway through The Enlightenment, I think. Even the modern John Wilkins becomes discouraged that with all of the intellectual satisfaction of atheism afforded by science, creationistic aspects of religion continue to hold sway.

    Your writing on this blog is an important punch in the push towards freethought that will eventaully free our race from magical thinking.

    I am adding you to my newsfeed.

    Mike

  2. Deep Thought

    Nice of you to admit that you have no independent ability to determine if Hitchens’ claims as to political reasons for the rise or fall of religions is accurate. After all, a great many historians disagree with Hitchens’ views of history in this book (of course, Hitchens isn’t an historian, either).

    “Totalitarian systems, whatever outward form they may take, are fundamentalist and, as we would now say, “faith-based” is the most self-damning statement Hitchens has ever written! As a former Trotskyite he should be well aware that the Khmer Rouge were as anti-religion as is he. Toss in the People’s Republic of Vietnam and the actions of the Bolshevik revolution and Hitchens is, essentially, casting forced atheism as a ‘faith-based’ system.

  3. Prup (aka Jim Benton)

    A few points on an excellent post. I too am somewhat suspicious of Hitchens and his use of history, because of other of his writings — even though I’ve now been an atheist for 45 of my 61 years. I’ll read the book if I get a chance but there are better books on the subject.

    As for the ‘tipping point’ being 500 years in the future, that only shows the narrowness of an American-based viewpoint. The tipping point has already occurred in most of Europe, which is authentically a post-Christian civilization. Even here, the events of the last few years have hastened the change. Creationism seems to be hanging on, but the specifically sexual scandals of evangelicals, the ‘faith-based idiocy’ of our President, and, surprisingly the reaction to the ‘war against gays’ — a war that is being lost down the line — convinces me the tipping point more likely will be in the next 25 years. (Remember also that fundamentalism thrives in isolation, in an environment which has no outside light to oppose the darkness. But the internet is banishing this type of isolation.)

    And yes, forced atheism is as wrong as — and probably more futile than — forced theism. And Communism, at least as applied, IS a ‘faith-based system’ with Marx’s writings being viewed as being just as infallible as the Bible — and as wildly interpreted.

    (And Stalinism in particular built on the ‘caesaro-papism’ of Russian Orthodoxy, with many Russians seeing Stalin as the new Tsar who could not be wrong. “If the Tsar/Stalin only knew what his evil ministers were doing he would protect us.”)

  4. Deep Thought

    Prup,
    You should look into the works of the demographer Kaufman out of the UK – he projects that the Europe of 2100 will have a higher percentage of Christians than the Europe of 2000. Indeed, throughout the world trends in demographics and socialization point strongly to the current time being the high water mark of secularism.

  5. Deep Thought

    Vihar,
    Actually, religion is making a rebound world-wide with such a surge that demographers are scrambling to understand what is going on. Everyone knows that women with more education and more wealth have fewer kids, right? Not anymore! In the last 20 years or so there has been an accelerating exception to this rule – religious women (defined as women who attend religious services at least once a week) have *more* kids as their education and wealth increase, now. In the meantime, non-religious women still follow the ‘old rule’.

    Toss into the mix the stats that show that religious people are healthier and more successful in business and religion world wide and other little bits (i.e., religious people marry earlier and stay married more often [another change] and married people are healthier and wealthier) and you see something that is counter to what we are told to expect – the largest predicted percentage gains in religious belief within populations over the next 100 years are in the most educated and wealthiest Westerners!

  6. Deep Thought

    Vihar,
    Of course, you are making some errors and assumptions. First of all, religious people can be just as rational and scientific as atheists. Second, it appears, statistically, that people cannot fill that ‘hole’ you speak of with reason and science – thus, the non-religious are unhealthier and unhappier. Third, what is more concrete than ‘religious people are healthier and happier than the non-religious’? Maybe the studies that show that religious people make more money, give more to charity, and volunteer more of their time to charity? What is more concrete than the fact that religious people – regardless of education and socio-economic status, religious people are healthier and happier than the non-religious. That’s pretty concrete!

  7. Paul Oliveri

    Not having read the book myself,except articles on the web regarding Mr. Hutchinson’s book one might agree on his premise but not with absolutism. Raised as a Catholic and having attended a releigious school,at least until junior high I must say it was an experience. The discipleneran actions of the nuns often defied logic and reasoning; at time it was as though the sisters were taking out their fustration on the pupils in the name of discipline. In present day possible they would be sent to jail.It has always been confounding to me where love and forgiveness is preached but very seldom sees adhered to, not to mention killing and sacrificing of animals to god as offerings of salvation.Pagan rituals for sure but refuted by those relious sect as being somehow different because He is an unseen god,but often heard by the chosen few!
    It is bewildering as to whether some of these people actually belive what they say,or just expect others to belive because they wore the chosen? To me religion with very few exceptions, tends to put a human-especially the mind in quandry as to what action or lack of caused the result or situation. It is almost like walking in land mines.Is something done because they will go to heaven, or because it is my duty as another human being? How can you have dirction when tied with chains of obligations to direct you to that outcome. how can that be free choice? For many years I too have wrestled with rlegion and my own conscience,having seen so much hypocracy and double talk for so long, I’m glad of have coming to my senses to follow my own conscience and direction,although not perfect but it is easier to come to grip with things in this manner.It does not make sense to be able to reason and have a conscience only to be steered and herded in to a corral whether it be heaven or hell; free choice means having the ability to choose the direction, even if its bad other wise, one cannot be considered to have a free will. There is no sense in going into the usual arguments,because to me they just don’t jive; love cannot be conditional,otherwise it is not free, if it comes with a price of consequence.This is the problem with most relegions its not so much the choices but the consequences of not adhering to a specific doctrine, often not being certain if it is God,or that man uses God as a tool to dictate the other men.Hopefully perhaps in the not to distant future men and women will come to the realization and take charge of their own conscience and mind rather than be indoctrinated into the fallacy of the chosen few.

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